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Bathersby bans Kennedy

Published: June 09, 2009

About 1,200 people turned out for Mass at the St Mary's in Exile community on Sunday despite a worldwide ban impose by Brisbane Archbishop John Bathersby on celebrant Fr Peter Kennedy.

Fr Kennedy, who on Friday was banned from preaching, hearing confessions and officiating at weddings, merely shrugged when asked yesterday about plans for the future, The Courier Mail reports.

"It's business as usual," he said, referring to the 500 strong congregation at the morning Mass at the Trades and Labour Council building in South Brisbane yesterday.

"The fact that hundreds of people are here speaks volumes."

Earlier Fr Kennedy described his ban "as a liberation from a corrupt, ruthless and irrelevant hierarchy."

"But we haven't left the Church, we've been pushed out, excluded by our own archbishop.

"If you set yourself up at some other church you can no longer bring about effective change within the (Catholic) Church.

"I know I'm up against a two thousand year old institution, but the Church is imploding all over the world it seems at the moment.

"It's obvious if in Australia 85 percent of Catholics don't go to Mass.

"We've done nothing to deserve this, we're a prophetic community in the sense that we stand with the poor, the excluded, those who are rendered powerless.

"And for that we are given the chop."

Fr Kennedy said arrangements were almost complete for the establishment of a not for profit company - St Mary's Community Ltd - to underpin the affairs of the alienated congregation.

Fr Kennedy's assistant, Fr Terry Fitzpatrick, who has also been banned from conducting services, although only in the Brisbane archdiocese, said he intended staying with the St Mary's in Exile community.

"I understand there may be pressure for my recall to the Toowoomba diocese," he said.

"But for the time being, I'll stay and perform my pastoral responsibilities to the people with whom I've been for 15 years."

Long time church community leader Marg Ortiz said the decrees issued by Archbishop Bathersby, which penalise Fr Kennedy more harshly than convicted pedophile priest Ron McKeirnan, who has been granted special permission by the Catholic Church leader to conduct masses in private, showed a lack of moral fibre.

"If the Church hierarchy allows priests who are pedophiles to say Mass, but ban Peter from doing so for some intellectual dissent, it just shows they have no moral fibre and not a lot of intelligence, frankly," she said.

Mrs Ortiz, who was the co-convenor of the St Mary's South Brisbane Council before Fr Kennedy was sacked as administrator of the church, said the action taken against the St Mary's priests didn't make a scrap of difference.

"They can't take away from Peter or Terry anything that's important to this faith community," she said.

However, the Church's top legal officer, Chancellor Adrian Farrelly, said the suspension was "a very serious matter".

"Fr Kennedy has consistently ignored a series of formal directives, following years of informal requests from the archbishop to conform with universal Catholic practices," Father Farrelly said.

"The Catholic Church has laws that regulate throughout the world the celebration of sacraments and pastoral care of people which Fr Kennedy has continued to flout.

"These present decrees are about ensuring that Catholics within the archdiocese of Brisbane and beyond can continue to have confidence that the sacraments they are obtaining from all priests are celebrated validly and that pastoral practices and teaching are in harmony with accepted church directives."

SOURCE

Supporters mass for de-frocked St Mary's priest (Courier Mail)

Banned priest continues holding Mass (The Daily)

Catholic Church bans Qld's rebel priest (Brisbane Times)

Banned priests defy Rome (Westender)

Banned St Mary's priest Peter Kennedy to keep praying (Courier Mail)

Rebel Brisbane priest slapped with worldwide ban (Brisbane Times)

 

 

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  1. "I understand there may be pressure for my recall to the Toowoomba diocese," Fr. Fitzpatrick said.

    If he goes, I'm sure Bishop Morris will make him feel right at home.

  2. "..... community leader Marg Ortiz said the decrees issued by Archbishop Bathersby, which penalise Fr Kennedy more harshly than convicted pedophile priest Ron McKeirnan, who has been granted special permission by the Catholic Church leader to conduct masses in private, showed a lack of moral fibre....." A very telling fact!

  3. "The fact that hundreds of people are here speaks volumes." Peter Kennedy.

    He's right.
    The Church is becoming irrelevant. What a stupid move on behalf of the Archdiocese. Even if Fr Kennedy hasn't compromised in any way, what's it matter to a universal Church? Isn't it secure enough to deal with this matter in a mature and sensitive way? Where is the compassion for 'the lost sheep' (and I don't believe Fr Kennedy is)?
    The Church has responded as if Christ didn't urge us to act with such compassion.
    I know the bloggers to this site will be salivating, thinking that this is the end of Fr Kennedy. Well before they get too carried away, they may well reflect on Matthew 18:12-14 and Luke 15:3-7.

  4. How sad, the Catholic Church is headed toward irrelevance. Many thinking people would love to belong to an authentic life-giving organization, but find the dictatorial attitude of the hierarchy unpalatable and completely out of step with the vision of Jesus. Misusing scripture to justify the abuse of power and authority, the subordination of women, scapegoating people of different sexual orientation, sitting in judgement of others' behaviour etc,

    Please God we can overcome these divisions, overcome the need of some for uniformity, celebrate diversity and wonder at the different way the Spirit moves. Only 14% of Catholics practise in the mainstream church. Many like myself have found it necessary to celebrate Eucharist away from the mainstream, in small groups without an “ordained minister” where we can authentically live out our desire to follow Jesus.

    How sad, that such an authentic vibrant Christian community like St Mary’s is “banned”. Can the Church ever recover? Or will it require another model like it did 2000 years ago.

    Let’s put an end to the dictatorship and abuse of power and control. Let’s stop sitting in judgement of one another. That’s clearly not Jesus' way.

    Let’s forgive each other, be compassionate and watch the Spirit flourish in many diverse ways through many different people, of all orientations “all made in the image of God”. Let others see in us what we have seen in Jesus. What an incredible Church we would be!

  5. Full marks for the Bishop for taking this action, the church has a rich history and I don't think comments made by the ex priest can be taken seriously. It's a shame that some of Peter's true friends didn't take him aside and say "what the hell are you doing Peter!"
    It seems that Peter thinks he has more intelligence than the Pope and his Cardinals and Bishops. Sorry Peter I don't think so.

  6. Fr Kennedy describes his ban as a "liberation from a corrupt, ruthless and irrelevant hierarchy". It is amusing, to say the least, that he is still willing to take his stipend and other benefits from the Church.

  7. I find this case incredibly sad Many years ago he started out an idealistic young priest loyal to His Church now he dismisses it as an archaic and irrelevant institution This Peter seems to have forgotten Christ's promise to the first Peter that He would be with His Church till the end of time and that the gates of hell would never prevail against Her.He has publicly dismissed the concept of Our Blessed Mother's virginity and claims he has been pushed out of the Church because he stands with the poor and disenfranched when this is simply untrue The Church has always stood with the poor We are the Church of the Beatitudes how could we do otherwise? We are the Church of the Last Supper where Christ knelt to wash the feet of his disciples.It is where sin enters that the Church becomes corrupted by human pride and cultural arrogance and Father Kennedy does not appear to be exempt from such pride There are parishes with active Saint Vincent De Paul branches and other forms of social outreach quietly and gently reaching out to the poor.I pray for a miracle of grace for this priest who has walked away from his Church.He should adopt Mary MacKillop's approach obey his Bishop and allow the Holy Spirit to take charge of his destiny.Everything came right for Mary MacKillop because she trusted in the Holy Spirit She did not defy Church authority because she knew if the path she was following was what the Holy Spirit wanted she would be vindicated and all would be well.Perhaps Father Kennedy and the Saint Mary's in exile would consider making a retreat with the nuns at the Mary MacKillop shrine in Sydney. She was a wonderful holy woman with a great deal of common sense-someone I am sure Father Kennedy could relate to easily.

  8. Media reports indicate that some journalists have a faulty understanding of what has been going on in this whole South Brisbane matter. One way to try to get the right message across is for priests to devote a few minutes of their regular weekend homilies to church teachings on the validity or otherwise of sacraments e.g. an annulled marriage means that the marriage was not valid (not a genuine marriage) in the first place.
    It does not mean that a properly conducted marriage was dissolved. The confusion over this, and over many other church matters, is great.
    Media people probably will not hear the homilies but churchgoers will and will be in a position to explain matters, particularly to the young who depend on the media for their information.
    For instance Archbishop Bathersby comes across in some media, incorrectly, as a harsh and egotistical man and people assume all bishops are the same.
    Instruction and more instruction may help change this idea.
    It is good to learn that the archbishop has tried informally in times past to try to rectify the position at St Mary's. Best to head off a problem before it gets out of hand. And better to be as up front as possible about it.
    One lesson that could be learnt from this matter is the need to promote in as many ways as we can our Catholic social justice policies. Fr Kennedy did this very well with his successful programs and many look to him as a Christian guide.. A lot of people do not associate the church's great community woprks (hospitals etc) with the church. The Uniting Church does well with its slogan, "An outreach of the Uniting Church" on its charitable and other buildings, and is to be congratulated on that.Let's see something similar on such buildings as St Vincent de Paul, hospitals etc.

  9. It seems to "fly in the face " of all we know of love and forgivness when we have this long -time battle of "people trying to find their God". It seems that Fr Kennedy has been a "long-time " priest and has helped many people "find their God".Does unity have to be uniformity?

  10. The idiocy of so many of these comments from dissenters reminds me of how blessed we are that the Church is not a democracy; not at the mercy of elderly, Irish-Australian amateur theologians.

    You quote Holy Scripture, refer to Christ and the Eucharist but you all forget this veritable messiah of yours, Peter Kennedy, rejects all of these! He has freely admitted that scripture is outdated and fictional, that Christ never existed and perceives the Eucharist as nothing more than a symbolic piece of bread!

    For goodness sake, wake up and smell the heretic!

  11. I'm a practising member of the Catholic Church - but I'm beginning to wonder why!
    What has happened to Fr Peter Kennedy is so sad. He's a good man, so in touch with the forgotten peoples in our society (as well as all the people who just choose to attend his Masses from all over Brisbane). I think Jesus would be right there beside him and them. Although I'm a regular in my local Parish, I don't feel very welcome. I'm sure if I were to attend Fr Peter's Masses, I'd feel more accepted, and not just a shadow figure.
    At present, I'm feeling ashamed to call myself a Catholic because of what's happended to Fr Peter, and also the other outrages....of paedophile priests who are allowed to practise the Sacraments; the fact that some Catholic priests are married (it should be the right of all - as in the early Church) by virtue of the fact that they were married as Anglican priests and could make the change, whereas that privilege is not extended to Catholic priests who wish to marry. What a loss to the Church of good men. I know my view might be scoffed at by the Church hierarchy as being simplistic but I'm seeing too much injustice and inequality. And I'm beginning to feel as if I'm under a really grey cloud.

  12. Why is it that when there is a big publicity stunt needed "1200" people show up at St Mary's, but usually they claim about 300 attend. Who are these 'extras' and why do they only come 'on command'? They are obviously not regulars, but dare I say, "rent a crowd" that show up when the media are called in. (Perhaps also people who 'hide in the shadow', not willing to totally own this bizarre cultish group)

    The arrogance that continues to come out of the mouth of PK and his followers is breathtaking. So righteous. So relevant when no-one else is getting it right. Delusion is a powerful thing.

    The fact is that these people wouldn't even be accepted into protestant churches.. with the weird and wackish things they believe. There is no point in staring at 'Mother church' and continuing to whine about not being understood. You have chosen your path, now walk it. Your disrespect and dishonour of the Church and its servant leaders is a disgrace.

    At an ordination I attended recently I was struck by the vow that the young priest was making to honour and obey his Archbishop and his successors. PK would have made that same vow.... but it means nothing to him. Really really sad.

  13. This sad situation seems to be going round and round in circles. When 'the book' comes out, it will make for interesting reading. Meanwhile, if any of us are looking for something to read, some mulling over the Letters of John might satisfy. (You'll find them towards the back of the New Testament in your well thumbed bible. A lot of folk don't get that far.) They describe the situation that occurs when a group of Christians claim they have Christ in their pocket and cease listening to others in humility and charity.
    It makes for uncomfortable reading if you believe, as we are taught, that we all stand under the judgement of God's Word.
    I always get nervous when people pose the question: "What would Jesus do?" Normally the implied answer comes - "Exactly as I think."
    Let none of us presume to tell God what He thinks.
    And let none of us presume that God is on our side.
    To dragoon Him into our service and our agendas is blasphemy. There has been a lot of that going on in this sad story.

  14. So many of your commentators, as are the journalists (perhaps intentionally) are missing the point. Fr Kennedy has not been banned because he is ministering to the poor, but because he has been preaching and teaching anticatholic doctrines. The person who signed him/herself could not have been more correct. Let us all pray that Fr Kennedy and his congregation see the light and return to the Catholic Faith as Christ and his Vicar on earth teaches.

  15. Re reference to Ron McKiernan. I have no personal knowledge of his case, only what I have read. I understand that he has paid the penalty ordered by a court, and which is expected of him by the Australian community. He has started afresh.
    I understand that he does not perform routine pastoral work, and celebrates Mass privately or semi- privately in a religious house, presumably in accordance with the rules of the archdiocese which should be the rules of the universal Catholic Church.
    As he is permitted to do so by the appropriate church authority I assume that he does believe in the divinity of Our Lord and the virginity of Mary.
    I am not aware of any immediate crisis of faith concerning him.
    Fr Kennedy who has done very good work for social justice (I have no idea of the work or otherwise carried out by Ron McKiernan in this regard) apparently has a real crisis of faith. From what I have read he obeys the law of the land. I would find it very odd to say the least to find a priest who does not believe in the divinity of Jesus celebrating Mass in a Catholic church (in the Eucharist we experience the real presence of Christ)..
    I do not see the relevance of Fr McKiernan's case.
    I have never met or spoken to Fr McKiernan or Fr Kennedy.

  16. I wonder how the BAN will affect God? Will She be obliged to stop her relationship with Fr Peter and the Congregation? Maybe she will have to stop listening to his prayers. Does she have to absent herself from their presence when Fr Peter preaches? We would do well to remember that Moses had to go outside the camp to meet God!

  17. The Pope and the bishop are right in doing what has to be done to Fr Kennedy. For me, those who don't want to follow order must leave or make their own group. It's just a matter of "take it or leave it" i.e., come back to the catholic church and follow orders because that's what you discerned before you pronounced your "YES" to God on your ordination day - that you abide by the rules and regulations as a priest, /or leave priesthood and do what you like according to your own rules as an independent group away from the catholic church that would make you more happy and more holy.

    If the catholic church has no laws and regulations to be followed in order to have uniformity in ministering sacraments and other church services, then all the priests would just do what they liked to satisfy their "needs" and "wants". Although we badly need more priests, I would really appreciate those priests who sincerely ask dispensation from the Pope and get out from priesthood and have continue doing charitable works for others.

  18. Sheila,

    In regard to your comment on this quote,

    '"If the Church hierarchy allows priests who are pedophiles to say Mass, but ban Peter from doing so for some intellectual dissent, it just shows they have no moral fibre and not a lot of intelligence, frankly," she said.'

    I have to say that is indeed a telling fact. And it tells us the following:

    Pedophile priests who follow church teachings in their sermons, and adhere to the normal forms of the sacraments, are not leading souls away from heaven, but towards it. Peter Kennedy is doing the opposite. That is why he has had his priestly responsibilities taken away. Those who choose to follow his teachings do so at the peril of their souls, and we can only hope that they heed Archbishop's Bathersby's warnings.

    That said, if priests have committed the crime of sexual abuse, and it has been deliberately covered up by others, then although those poeple may be able to lead others to heaven, they may not be allowed in themselves unless they have accepted a penance such as gaol time.


  19. '"We've done nothing to deserve this, we're a prophetic community in the sense that we stand with the poor, the excluded, those who are rendered powerless.

    "And for that we are given the chop."'

    Kennedy has become a Lutheran, it seems, with lies as bold as this! After all, it was Luther how said be a sinner and sin?? boldly,? but believe and?? rejoice in Christ even more boldly.

    Mind you, it is possible that Kennedy didn't utter those two statements back to back, and that the writer of this article has attempted to portray him as a liar in this regard. If so, then shame on that journalist.


  20. Kennedy is a fool. The Church is NOT 'imploding' all over the world, it is in fact growing. It is growing everywhere except in the smug, tired, spiritually exhausted West where people are turning to nuttiness, astrology, superstition, crystals, green spirituality and general intellectual sogginess, without being able to tolerate the demanding discipline of true religion. We are a pathetic laughing stock in places where Christians have to be tough to survive: Africa, India and Asia. Kennedy is part of the problem, not of the solution. He and his followers will die out without a trace.

  21. The Catholic Church in Australia is already in some level of Schism, the hierarchy is living in denial (something they do quite comfortably for quite a long time in lots of cushioning of power, wealth and control), and the split is driven completely by the church hierarchy;

    Some ‘shepherds’ have decided to take the side of ‘market’ demands (neo-conservative, blind faith consumers) and pressure of the large shareholder (namely the Vatican) over the care and welfare of the sheep (we, the thinking Catholics) who are often the vulnerable.

    Lord send a revival, and let it begin with us. Thank God.

  22. So Sad,

    I can add nothing to your comments. I agree wholeheartedly.

    Let us pray for Peter Kennedy and those he has taken away from Christ's Bride, the Church

  23. To put Andrew Rizzo's mind at rest I can prove undeniably that Fr Kennedy is being paid in full by the St Marys Community in exile from members' donations. Doc Ortiz, community finance member.

  24. For those who support Fr Kennedy on this website I wonder if you are also in support of his personal views regarding Catholic doctrine. For example - that Jesus Christ is not God, that there is no heaven and there is no hell, that Holy Communion is no more than a commemorative meal etc etc. How can Fr Kennedy or you, his followers, still regard yourselves as in communion with the Catholic Church if you don't believe in its doctrines?
    If you believe in a completely different set of values or doctrines, contrary to those of the Catholic Church, e.g. homosexual unions are acceptable to God, then set up your own church, but stop trying to bend the Catholic Church to suit your personal viewpoints.

  25. It's hard to see any solution, any hope. The Vatican-directed Church in the West is moribund. The Spirit seems to have moved on. Matthew 16:18 ("Thou art Peter and upon this Rock ...) can be seen for what it probably is, words put in Jesus' mouth by Matthew or his editor around AD 80 to boost their own morale in the face of strong rabbinic opposition.

    People in this century are no longer concerned about the "validity" of sacraments defined by the use of these words and not those. Those concerns reflect the legalism and anxiety of a bygone era.

    People are looking for the authentic message of Jesus, the ethos of his core teachings and its guide to action. This ethos and the praxis that goes with it can be found in diverse forms and even through heterogeneous interpretations, but this is something the institutional church will not acknowledge.

    We can but pray and try to love God and our neighbour as best we can, supported by the fellowship of generous-hearted companions.

  26. I think this is just about honesty. If people go to Kennedy, they cannot expect to be in communion with the Church that Christ founded, because they don't believe the same things. What is harsh about that?

  27. There are many people who are commenting here who seem to be unaware of the full extent of Peter Kennedy's beliefs. While I would consider myself a relatively "liberal" Catholic, I see this action as nothing short of appropriate. Kennedy has stated in interviews that not only does he not believe that Jesus was divine, but also that it was likely Jesus didn't even exist! And yet, he goes on to reference Jesus on numerous occasions.

    Not only is he being hypocritical, but he is essentially calling the Jesus story complete fiction. By doing this, he has reduced his community to one that stands only for being nice to each other, and while being nice to each other is part of Christianity, it is nowhere near the whole picture.

    This revocation of faculties is a clear and definitive statement from the Church that Kennedy is not making these teachings with the consent of the Church, which I think is reasonable enough when you start contradicting core parts of the faith. If you work for Holden and tell people that they should buy Ford, well…

  28. One could sum up Fr Kennedy's position thus - he is pro-Jesus but anti-Christ. For him 'Christ' is a construction of the 'institutional' Church (whatever that is), and he rejects both. I do not say this as an insult or condemnation, but in an attempt to focus on the real issue. I make no judgement about Fr Kennedy's conscience or motives - I do not have the data. But his public statements show that he wishes to be inspired by the humanity of Jesus and imitate him in his concern for the poor and oppressed, but he does not want to recognise him (as another Peter did) as the Christ, the Son of God, the Word made flesh, Emmanuel, God with us. Many today want to believe in an 'Enlightenment' Jesus, an 'historical' Jesus, but not Jesus the Christ who "is the same yesterday, today and forever" (Hebrews 13:8)

    The First Letter of John is pertinent here - "...every spirit which confesses that Jesus [the] Christ has come in the flesh is of God and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not of God. This is the spirit of the antichrist...Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him and he in God." (1 John 4: 2-3, 15)

  29. "Where two or more are gathered in my name, there am I in their midst". Have no doubt, Peter Kennedy and friends, you ARE church! And what's more, "know this, I will be with you always, yes, til the end of time".

  30. I am amazed by comments from those who claim the Church is becoming irrelevant. Maybe it is to you. But for faithful Catholics, the Church will always be here for us as Jesus promised "the gates of hell shall not prevail."

    Christ did urge us to act with compassion, but he did not do so in order that the "lost sheep" could come back and continue to lead others astray. Others who could not follow his "hard teachings," were allowed to just leave (John 6:60) and he didn't go after Judas after he left the Last Supper.

    Fr. Kennedy calls the very structure that Jesus established a "corrupt, ruthless and irrelevant hierarchy." He makes himself a martyr because his pride overshadows a need for humility and obedience. This is not about anything else but him.

  31. Fr Kennedy is a good man. I am angered at what the hierarchy are doing! Like Kathy, I too am a practising Catholic and incredibly disillusioned by the current leadership of Our Church and the many contradictions of it. I am inspired by Fathers Kennedy and Fitzpatrick and the community of St Mary's. You are truly, caring and compassionate and I thank you all for your strength. St Mary's in exile you are a wonderful example of Christ and you are a living vibrant faith community, who have been excluded by my Church. I support, encourage and continue to pray for you. I am sure you have the support of many more Catholics.

  32. Adeodatus, sadly you may be right: a lose-lose outcome may logically follow. But is this what the Spirit wants?

  33. I suspect that everyone commenting on this issue does so in the belief that they speak the “Truth”. Some of us believe we should follow what the Pope or Bishop says without question, others believe we are called to discern and make our own decisions about how to best reach out to others within the unique circumstances of our own life using Jesus (not the hierarchy) as our model.

    I was raised a Catholic and indoctrinated in a series of beliefs which I took very seriously, and became very active within the Church at many levels, working closely with Bishops, Clergy, Religious and Lay people. Over the years I have studied in depth, which has resulted in a massive paradigm shift in understanding for me.

    After serious study, I can no longer accept the interpretation that the hierarchy chooses to put on scripture to justify their power and control over people's lives. Jesus stood up to the Church hierarchy of his day. He stood up for what he believed was right, even putting his life on the line. He attempted to show the hierarchy it was “missing the point”.

    Maybe the hierarchy today is “missing the point” too. It claims to speak for God, to know what God wants. It claims to know that God doesn’t want women priests or God doesn’t welcome gay people. Seems a strange fit when we use Jesus as model.

    Surely we should all focus on Jesus as our model, not the Church.

  34. Fr Kennedy,Fr Fitzpatrick and the disenfranchised followers, have made themselves irrelevant. The Catholic Church is not out of step with these people or the faithful Catholic Church Community. Kennedy's mob and non-practicing Cathlics are out of step with the Roman Catholic Church. What ever happens, Christ, will be with us always. He is the loving, forgiving and compassionate God of the New Covenant.

  35. Paradigm Shift,

    You've succumbed to liberal error in drawing a dichotomy between Jesus and the Church.

  36. Sadly, Peter Kennedy and his ragtag followers have walked away from the Church, not the other way around. Peter Kennedy has not been given the shove because he stands with the poor, the oppressed. and the disenfranchised - and he does - but because he refuses to follow universal church practices (he won't even wear vestments at Mass). He also needs to bone up on the virtue of humility, and desist from preaching heresy.

  37. Apologies Robert the last line should have read...
    Surely we should all focus on Jesus as our model, not the Church hierarchy.

  38. Poppenhauser "words put in Jesus' mouth by Matthew or his editor around AD 80 to boost their own morale in the face of strong rabbinic opposition."
    The Holy Spirit is a pretty competent editor!

  39. "I was raised a Catholic and indoctrinated in a series of beliefs" Why the choice of indoctrinated why not the word "taught"?
    "After serious study, I can no longer accept the interpretation that the hierarchy chooses to put on scripture to justify their power and control over people's lives." Yet great scholars like Fulton Sheen Pope Benedict , and other eminent thinkers like the Hildebrand's, Tomas Aquinas, or Thomas More also have studied seriously and emerged with a stronger faith? "
    Jesus stood up to the Church hierarchy of his day."? There was no church hierarchy in His day. Jesus founded the Church. His Jewish faith was the Old Testament covenant with God.Jesus began a new covenant and founded His Church to continue His teaching after he ascended into heaven. "
    He was the long promised Messiah He did not openly undermine or set himself in opposition to the Jewish High priests He went about preaching and healing and when they tried to trap Him into pushing a political agenda he exposed their trickery "Render unto Caesar..."Nor was He afraid to ever defy convention eg healing on the sabbath.
    Perhaps what you thought was a paradigm shift in understanding of the Truth was a detour up a blind alley because your "serious study was a form of indoctrination by teachers who had drifted from Truth themselves?

  40. "So sad" doesn't realise that the gates of hell have already been opened into the Vatican, especially in the last 40 years. Benedict XVI's biggest challenge is how to close the gates after they have been opened.

  41. The Holy Spirit will not fail us.Without God we can do nothing It is Mary who will crush the serpent underfoot We need only keep our gaze fixed on Christ, get to mass as often as posible and say the daily rosary -graces will flow and we will be guided clearly to do as He tells us. It is when we cut ourselves off from sources of sanctifying grace and begin to think we are achieving things rather than being compliant instruments of God's will that we enter troubled waters whipped up by personal ego and pride and the machinations of those who would like us to turn away from Christ and His beloved Church. Yes the Church may be sorely wounded but so was Jesus on Calvary. It is distressing to see Her ridiculed and humiliated but She is still Christ's Church and we must never desert Her. The great saints are fine examples of this loyalty.Sometimes in their lifetime they received harsh and unfair treatment from elements of the Church's hierarchy but they never gave in to the temptation to no longer see Christ and they continued their daily progress towards greater holiness.

  42. So, Paul Keen, when a paedophile priest changes the shape of a boy's/girl's life forever and "leads them to heaven" then that's good. But when an intrinsically 'good' man like Peter Kennedy changes a few words in the liturgy, then he is actually leading souls away from heaven! A sermon about forgiveness or loving our neighbour and a liturgy that sticks to prescribed format will never be enough to heal the people that the likes of Peter Kennedy are dealing with every day, people who turned away, or were turned away, from a church that didn't show compassion. The theologically intellectual value of the people that support Peter Kennedy is equal to and beyond most of those who have blindly followed the teachings of the RCC for too long. From rebellion comes change from change can come great things. I can't say that I fully support what Peter has said about Catholic teaching and beliefs, but I do believe that it takes a true belief in the teachings of Jesus Christ, and an inner strength that I know I don't possess, to stand strong under these circumstances. We may not like what is going on but it will not die out and something will happen over time that will probably surprise us all!

  43. Why don't the followers of Peter Kennedy ever address the facts about his wayward beliefs and theology... it seems to me, that they see this as irrelevant. Could you answer this question: "How do the ex-St Mary's people feel about Peter kennedy saying that he doesn't really believe that Jesus Christ existed?"

  44. RE CD"s question "How do the ex-St Mary's people feel about Peter Kennedy saying that he doesn't really believe that Jesus Christ existed?"
    Perhaps they are deaf to it because they "love" Father Peter? Yet they might have to come to a painful parting of the ways. Jesus warned that no-one could come to the Father except through Him?

  45. Taught is OK with me, and by very sincere people. However sincerity alone is not the issue. People teach / understand within a paradigm. Paradigms are very powerful. When you are locked in one you are locked out of seeing things differently. People act in accordance with the “truth”, as they perceive it to be – which is not necessarily the objective TRUTH.
    We are all born as a “blank canvas” and learn ways of seeing the “truth”. If we are raised Catholic we are raised to see the “truth” through the Catholic paradigm, if raised Pentecostal or Muslim to see the “truth” through their paradigm, and so on.
    There are literally hundreds of eminent scholars who would not agree with Pope Benedict on many issues. Yet within the Catholic Church their arguments are tightly controlled by Rome.
    The curia and Pope do not have a mortgage on the truth. Many eminent scholars strongly disagree with the hierarchy’s claim to possess the right and power to dictate their paradigm of the “truth”.
    Everyone has direct access to the Spirit. For the hierarchy to claim they are the soul repository of the TRUTH just doesn’t stack up against any serious unbiased scholarship in the 21st Century.
    Lets stop the Power Games, strive to develop an open model of Church that encourages and marvels in Unity through Diversity, allowing the Spirit to burst forth in multiple ways.
    Let’s focus on Jesus ALONE as our model. Can’t see Jesus policing anyone can you?

  46. Maria F,

    To suggest that Fr. Kennedy is merely "changing a few words of the liturgy" is, pardon me, ridiculous. He is leading people away from heaven, most directly by not having baptised some of them in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit (Thank God for baptism by desire, though!).

    Assuming that your misrepresentation of what I said regarding pedophiles was an honest misunderstanding, let me elucidate. Pedophile priests who correctly preach the gospel and administer the sacraments to those who they have NOT molested, are leading those souls to Christ. The spiritual welfare of the victims of their abuse is clearly a very different story, and those priests would be better off with millstones around their necks, as Jesus said.

    The Word of God can flow through the filthiest vessel and remain untainted. But if people are drinking in lies, as in the case of Fr. Kennedy on the topic of Baptism, Divinity or Abortion for starters, then how can they be receiving the words of eternal life?

  47. There are none so deaf as those who don't want to hear.Peter Kennedy can say what he wants at his meetings.he is like a star at a chat show.cracking jokes attacking any thing from his past Catholic culture and winning applause and sycophantic peals of laughter. He puts his meetings on the net savouring every moment of acclaim. He does not wear vestments but no peacock would strut the boards more than he. His audience do not want to question his beliefs,he is creating a new religion which only his followers have the intelligence to understand. He would have his critics believe that catholics are trapped in dogma of the past . He is the new messiah leading us from Egypt to the promised land. phil jones.

  48. "If we are raised Catholic we are raised to see the “truth” through the Catholic paradigm,"
    No! -If we are Catholic and taught by authentically Catholic teachers who daily live out their faith with humility, we have Truth passed down to us and we can trust it to be true because Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to protect His church from modifying or altering His Truth to suit human desires. It is not a subjective truth arising from a human perspective which can be coloured by one's temperament and /or culture. The heresies which have arisen in the Church from time to time were usually individuals imposing their own personality and/or cultural bias on other believers. In each case the Holy Spirit inspired saintly souls to discern the heresy and speak out against it thus bringing believers back into alignment with Truth; one such example in our own time is Benedict's clear discernment of the danger of moral realativism and his warning to believers not to be taken in by this falsehood .

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