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Carter and Elders agitate against religious gender discimination

Published: July 24, 2009

Former US president Jimmy Carter and The Elders group of global leaders want an end to "harmful and discriminatory practices against women and girls" within religions, such as the exclusion of women in priesthood.

"Religion and tradition are a great force for peace and progress around the world," said The Elders, a group of global leaders brought together by Nelson Mandela, in statement to mark the launch of their latest initiative, The Christian Post reported.

"However, as Elders, we believe that the justification of discrimination against women and girls on grounds of religion or tradition, as if it were prescribed by a higher authority, is unacceptable," added the 12 person organisation.

"It is not just women who are paying an enormous price for this cultural and religious prejudice. We all suffer when women and girls are abused and their needs are neglected. By denying them security and opportunity, we embed unfairness in our societies and fail to make the most of the talents of half the population," The Elders state.

Last week, former President Carter attempted to draw greater attention to The Elders' gender equality initiative by submitting an op-ed to newspapers including UK's The Observer and The Age in Australia.

"The truth is that male religious leaders have had, and still have, an option to interpret holy teachings either to exalt or subjugate women. They have, for their own selfish ends, overwhelmingly chosen the latter," he wrote in the piece, which can be found on The Elders website.

In his piece, Carter recalled his "painful and difficult" decision to sever ties with the Southern Baptist Convention in 2000 after having been a part of the denomination for six decades.

The decision, he said, was "unavoidable ... when the convention's leaders, quoting a few carefully selected Bible verses and claiming that Eve was created second to Adam and was responsible for original sin, ordained that women must be 'subservient' to their husbands and prohibited from serving as deacons, pastors or chaplains in the military service".

Members of the group include Kofi Annan, former secretary-general of the United Nations, Nobel Peace Prize winner Desmond Tutu, and Grameen Bank founder Muhammad Yunus. It was formed in 2007 to seek to solve problems using "almost 1,000 years of collective experience".

The group said it wants to condemn "deep rooted belief that women are worth less than men has infected every aspect of our societies" that have led to brutal violence and mistreatment against women and have denied girls and women fair access to education, health, employment, property and influence within their own communities.

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Jimmy Carter confronts 'religious prejudice' against women (Christian Post)

Jimmy Carter, Kofi Annan, and Other Ex-Presidents Slam Christian Churches for Not Ordaining Women (LifeSiteNews)

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Religious and traditional practices discriminate against women and girls (The Elders)

The words of God do not justify cruelty to women (The Elders)

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  1. Amen! Amen! Amen!
    That's why our Catholic hierarchy (men) are clinging on to all the power and control that they can lobby. As a Catholic man I am ashamed of the way the church I belong to consistently and institutionally discriminates against women in all areas of church life.

  2. Thank you Jimmy Carter and the Elders group for putting this issue so well and for all of them taking this stand. Male dominance is unforgiveable, and I say that as a man.

  3. Jimmy Carter - a failed President who now wishes to impose his views on religions he has no connection with. Shouldn't he mind his own business?

  4. I agree, we need greater balance in church leadership. The boys' club is unhealthy and barren. Women do most of the work in the parish but are excluded from liturgical leadership.
    This power struggle is killing any sense of church as community.

  5. Lady imams? Lets see how that goes down in Saudi Arabia or Iran.

  6. The world is in a state of extreme poverty when it can vote as leaders the most impoverished "big names" who cannot exhibit any thought above the mundane. The Catholic Church has been responsible for the most sublime view of the status of women all history. It can never budge on its insistence that there is an ontological difference between the sexes.There is only one priest in Christianity and he has redeemed his unfaithful spouse by marrying her.

  7. Just who the hell is the group of "Elders"?

  8. The "Elders" is obviously another lobby group who seek to redefine Christianity in their own image, according to their own modern 21st century wisdom, which we are asked to accept as being superior to the time honoured wisdom of God. We can add them to other lobby groups who seek to define homosexuality as perfectly normal, or that the condom is the answer to the world AIDS problem, or that abortion is a perfectly legitimate method of contraception, etc.
    I have no problem with other Christian churches having female "priests", because they are churches founded by men or women, and if women are excluded from some duties in these churches I do not know if it is justifiable. I can envisage a "shielding from danger" reason in the armed forces.
    However, we believe we are the Catholic Church, founded by Jesus Christ, Son of God, and we are following faithfully His teachings, and that He appointed males as His priests, a practice which, as the Pope has said, we have no right to alter.
    This is not to imply that women are inferior to men, only that they have been assigned different roles by Christ which do not include the Sacraments of Penance and Eucharist. On the other hand, it is very possible and I fear it is very likely, that women have been excluded from roles that have not been precluded by Christ's teaching, and these failings must be redressed.

  9. May God bless you and be with you as your group endeavours to speak the truth, and may your light shine to guide others.

    Thank you,
    MB

  10. Three cheers for Jimmy Carter, strong and wise enough to stand up for women in a way that the hierarchical males of the Catholic church will not !
    The current embargo on ordination of women is nothing but patriarchy dressed up in theological obtuseness.

    If all or any the male clergy had the guts to go on strike in support of women and ordination, what a difference it would make.

  11. I wonder if the ex Presidents get this kind of groupthink from their Masonic Lodges? If so and if not we Catholics should tell them to mind their own business. They are not Catholics and have no right telling the Church what the teachings ought to be.
    They are free of course to create their own 'churches'. To put this in American speak- if you work for McDonalds you need to wear the uniform, give the spiel and follow the policies. If you object you should leave and go to Red Rooster.

  12. Joe,
    You need to thoroughly examine scriptures. Where does it say that Jesus appointed males as His priests? Jesus never appointed priests at all.
    He reportedly chose males for His disciples. And even that may have been selective reporting by those who began to write New Testament scriptures some 70 years after Christ's death and in an era when females did not get much of a mention. Be very careful to distinguish between rules made by the Church perhaps some hundreds of years later and Christ's reported sayings and actions.

  13. To TJ Lawson:

    Unfortunately, for leftist-socialist-secular mindsets like your own, you only see positions of authority as opportunities for power and control. In reality, they are positions for service and sacrifice. Keep repeating this fact and the ideologues of the loony left will soon lose all interest in the priesthood.

  14. Jimmy should have stuck to growing peanuts not robbing the bible belt of at least belief in the bible.

    This is where the protestant revolt gets you - private judgement ultimately (inexorably?) denying that the bible contains any truth.

    The next stop is the Tony Blair stop.

    The next stop is the Richard Dawkins stop.

    The next stop is hell.

  15. Let us pray for our Holy Father Pope Benedict the XVI, may the Lord preserve him and give him life, may he be blessed upon the earth and deliver him not up to the will of his enemies.

  16. If Jimmy is fair dinkum he could start by making sure there is no imbalance in his committee.Of the quoted elders four of five were ageing men, not a balanced demographic and as usual women are significant by their almost total absence.The UN Universal declaration of Human Rights specifically states that there should be religious freedom.Any decisions or advice by such a committee must take this into account.His biggest hurdle must be to convince the Islamic faiths,but as history shows the Middle East is but the 'Dust of Empire' as far as great power foreign policy is concerned. Carter was not particularly good at Middle East diplomacy let alone will he be getting Islam to abandon the Koran.Obama is trying to tell people what to think, surely that's enough.As this committee can only be advisory it needs more depth and a more diplomatic stance to succeed.

  17. Someone should tell the Mormons that their title of 'Elder' has just been lifted by a group of ex Presidents. But then again Joseph Smith Jnr knew all about Masonic ritual just like these ex Presidents.

  18. Carter et al. have often been critical of religious people meddling in politics. Apparently the separation between Church and the State should only traverse in one direction?

  19. My my, this failed President in his old age must be suffering from delusions of grandeur, best he leave matters to do with religion with those best qualified to speak.

  20. "The truth is that male religious leaders have had, and still have, an option to interpret holy teachings either to exalt or subjugate women. They have, for their own selfish ends, overwhelmingly chosen the latter," are very strong and emotive claims.

    I don't want to 'shoot the messenger' but rather, point out the poverty of his logic.

    If you took the line of Jimmy Carter's argument and applied it to his own time in power as President of the United States of America, you could, possibly use his own very words to convict him of of the same selfishness, not only then, but conti nuing today - ""The truth is that 'Western Leaders' leaders have had, and still have, an option to interpret history either to exalt or subjugate the 'Palestinian people'. They have, for their own selfish ends, overwhelmingly chosen the latter,"

    What's the old saying? - a leopard can't change its spots.

  21. Kofi Annan has a wonderful track record of appealing to the most human of virtues to progress the lot of the world's poor.

    As Secretary General of the United Nations for a number of years he succeeded at doing nothing to improve African standards of living, unless you might consider the massacre of a million in the Tutsi-Hutus genocide as a way of population control affording better rights of life for others!

    Do you want to hear about his efforts in the Balkans?

    I didn't think so!

  22. "The group said it wants to condemn "deep rooted belief that women are worth less than men has infected every aspect of our societies" that have led to brutal violence and mistreatment against women and have denied girls and women fair access to education, health, employment, property and influence within their own communities."

    Chris Hedges, a former New York Times foreign correspondent, who saw service in the Balkans during the worst of the conflict, has written a book "I Don't Believe In Atheists - The dangerous Rise of the Secular Fundamentalist', published by Continuum.

    In the book he speaks at length about those who deny personal sin but wish to apply blame for the evil they see at the feet of the world's religions.

    This is a case in point.

  23. Personally, I have doubts about the Church's teachings about women being excluded from the Sacrament of Holy Orders, but certainly not because of the reasons and very poor logic of what The Elders have said.

    But, the doubts are personal ones, they cannot then be used to make me doubt the way the teachings have been discerned or what the contents are.

    Maybe if we all are able to live with our personal doubts while supporting the Church as Church, we will find the Way, the Truth and the Life.

    In our own parishes, we can work for a community where all are respected for the dignity they have and for the gifts and talents given each to be contributed into the building up of the Body of Christ where there is no male or female, no slave or free, but just Christ.

  24. Many of the responses herein tell the story perhaps better than the subject article ... manifestly, the Church's anti-female bias is very deeply rooted. But rooted in irrational prejudice it clearly is. I'll not be holding my breath waiting for the 'boys' club' to grow out of their clericalist elitism.

  25. Alleged gender discrimination is a side issue to the greater and more important issue of life discrimination. It was BOTH men AND WOMEN parliamentarians in our various State and Federal legislatures, who have in recent times, DISCRIMINATED in favour of allowing abortions, of lowering the age of consent to 16 for males so as to leave them prey to the lusts of older homosexual males.
    In Church, if we allow female ordination, we will have just as much dissent and heresy as ever before. So I wish that people would drop the chant about gender as it is tired and worn out; rather let us all look to laws and culture in favour of LIFE and of JUSTICE for Australian owned jobs/products/services and government control of water, electricity, airports. I notice all these agitators for liberal/modernist and Marxoid political correctness ( read wrongness) have disregarded the Aussie battlers who for the most part want bread and butter trade unionism to maintain their jobs and to keep Australia in local hands and local ownership.

  26. Ingerid, in examination of sacred scripture, I assume we are talking about the Canon of Sacred Scripture of the Catholic Church, formed around 400AD.
    From the Gospels contained therein, I note that Jesus chose from His disciples 12 men whom He named apostles. Initially he gave them power and authority to preach, to heal the sick and to drive out demons. Then, at the Last Supper these 12 sat at table with Him and He gave them the power of Eucharistic Consecration ("Do this in memory of Me"). After His Resurrection, he gave the remaining 11 the authority to baptise and to forgive sins (although Thomas was absent originally).
    This power, authority and these duties originally carried out by the apostles are the same as those vested in our Priests. Therefore, I contend that Our Lord did appoint male priests.
    Why He did so I personally feel is because sacramentally the priest (or apostle) works in Persona Christi. It seems quite inappropriate for a female to say the words "This is My Body".
    Notwithstanding my opinion, Pope John Paul II spoke authoritively in "Ordinatio Sacerdotis 1994" when he said "... I declare that the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women and that this judgment is to be definitively held by the Church's faithful".

  27. See: Group of Global "Elders" a Who's Who of Pro-Abortion, Pro-Population Control Movement

    http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2007/jul/07072303.html

    Not to mention senile has-beens rejected by their electorates, and murderous Marxist commissars. Their self-proclaimed "expert" opinions should be treated with all the disrespect they deserve.

  28. No matter what one thinks of the idea of women priests in the Catholic Church, the fact remains that no-one, from the pope down, has any authority to ordain them.

    There's something similar in Islam. No matter how much some Muslims argue that the Koran didn't say certain things, the fact is that it did, and no-one has authority to change it.

  29. Pay for peanuts and that's what you get. As for "The Elders", what authority do they have?

  30. It is telling at how defensive many of these comments are when the article doesn't specifically refer to Catholicism at all. Indeed other religions are probably just as much at fault. This is a worthy cause that all mankind should be supporting.

  31. THE POPE IS CORRECT,WE CANNOT ORDAIN WOMEN,FULL STOP.I AM FEMALE AND CANNOT STAND WOMEN WHO WANT TO BE PRIESTS,JESUS WAS MALE.

  32. I get tired of 'women leadership' in the church being equated with the priesthood. You do not have to be a priest to be a leader in the Catholic Church. That applies to both men and women. Perversely, it is those who seem to 'worship' the office of 'priesthood' inordinately, who seem to want it so badly. Priesthood is a servant role.

    I am a woman, and I have a leadership role. I am not a priest and I don't want to be one. I have a lot of input and creative influence on the liturgies that I attend. I have worked with many priests who are only too willing to 'share the load' of tasks pertaining to liturgy and parish life. I'm not jealous of the particular role of the priest.

    Many a life is wasted wishing for something else... I say, get on and serve God and His people.

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