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Seminarians to learn Latin Mass: Vatican

Published: June 16, 2008

The Vatican is writing to all seminaries to request that all candidates are trained to celebrate the Mass according to the Latin Tridentine Rite.

Catholic News Service reports Pope Benedict would like every Catholic parish in the world to celebrate a regular Tridentine-rite Mass, Cardinal Dario Castrillon Hoyos has said.

Cardinal Castrillon Hoyos also told a June 14 press conference in London that the Vatican was writing to all seminaries to ask that candidates to the priesthood are trained to celebrate Mass according to the extraordinary form of the Latin rite, also known as the Tridentine Mass, restricted from the 1970s until July 2007 when Pope Benedict lifted some of those limits.

The cardinal, who was visiting London at the invitation of the Latin Mass Society, a British Catholic group committed to promoting Mass in the Tridentine rite of the 1962 Roman Missal, said it was "absolute ignorance" to think that the pope was trying to reverse the reforms of the Second Vatican Council by encouraging use of the rite.

"The Holy Father, who is a theologian and who was (involved) in the preparation for the council, is acting exactly in the way of the council, offering with freedom the different kinds of celebration," he said.

"The Holy Father is not returning to the past; he is taking a treasure from the past to offer it alongside the rich celebration of the new rite," the cardinal added.

When asked by a journalist if the pope wanted to see "many ordinary parishes" making provision for the Tridentine Mass, Cardinal Castrillon, a Colombian, said: "All the parishes. Not many, all the parishes, because this is a gift of God.

"He (Pope Benedict) offers these riches, and it is very important for new generations to know the past of the Church," said Cardinal Castrillon, president of the Pontifical Commission "Ecclesia Dei," which works to help separated traditionalist Catholics return to the church.

"This kind of worship is so noble, so beautiful," he said. "The worship, the music, the architecture, the painting, makes a whole that is a treasure. The Holy Father is willing to offer to all the people this possibility, not only for the few groups who demand it but so that everybody knows this way of celebrating the Eucharist in the Catholic Church."

He also said his commission, which also is responsible for overseeing the application of "Summorum Pontificum," the 2007 papal decree authorising the universal use of the Tridentine rite, was in the process of writing to seminaries not only to equip seminarians to celebrate Mass in Latin but to understand the theology, the philosophy and the language of such Masses.

The cardinal said parishes could use catechism classes to prepare Catholics to celebrate such Masses every Sunday so they could "appreciate the power of the silence, the power of the sacred way in front of God, the deep theology, to discover how and why the priest represents the person of Christ and to pray with the priest."

In "Summorum Pontificum," Pope Benedict indicated that Tridentine Masses should be made available in every parish where groups of the faithful desire it and where a priest has been trained to celebrate it. He also said the Mass from the Roman Missal in use since 1970 remains the ordinary form of the Mass, while the celebration of the Tridentine Mass is the extraordinary form.

The document did not require all parishes to automatically establish a Tridentine Mass schedule, but it said that where "a group of faithful attached to the previous liturgical tradition exists stably," the pastor should "willingly accede" to their request to make the Mass available.

Earlier the Sydney Morning Herald quoted Fr Peter Williams, the executive secretary of the Australian Bishops' Commission for Liturgy, as saying that he had received no formal decree from the Vatican specifying that the Tridentine Rite be celebrated in parishes.

The widespread use of a traditional Mass would depend on the competence of local priests to celebrate it, the desire of parishioners to celebrate it, and even the architecture of churches to accommodate the ceremonial aspects of the rite.

It may take years for seminaries to introduce a training program to produce priests well versed in the Tridentine Mass, Fr Williams said.

SOURCE

Pope would like Tridentine Mass in each parish, Vatican official says (Catholic News, 16/6/08)

Latin Mass makes a comeback (Sydney Morning Herald, 15/6/08)

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Recent Comments

  1. This is a great initiative by the Vatican and the Pope!

    A much needed restoration to the current trend of the Catholic Churches becoming just another Hillsong or other evangelical churches within Catholic walls.

  2. Oh Please! What are they thinking. I would be so much happier if I heard that the Vatican was asking all seminaries to make sure that all seminarians were instructed to see to it that they evengelised at least 100 people a year ,every year of their priestly life. Do they seriously think that learning the Latin Mass is going to bring about the salvation of one soul?

  3. Re: seminarians to learn Latin and how to do Mass according to the Old Latin Rite

    Ah well, better 50 years LATE than never I suppose.
    My gumdrops, you would have thought that the hierarchy would have cottoned on to the decline in the practice of the Faith due to modern and liberal catechesis, new theology and experimental Mass liturgies back in the 1970s though. I've seen faster moving turtles.

  4. Excellent idea! That way both Rites could be easily celebrated if/when needed, without having to scour the countryside for a competent priest.
    Pity it couldn't also be done in the vernacular, like the Vat II Mass.
    I enjoy the current Mass, But the Extraordinary Form would be great for special Feasts/events, even the less complicated "Missa Cantata" we had once a month in my Parish in the '50's.

  5. I remember the individual piety and theology of the Latin Mass, with the people "locked out" of the sanctuary. Why not return to the "beauty" of the Index, the Inquisition, and clericalism gone mad, with its theology that the laity can only approach God through a priest? It makes as much sense! The past has never dictated the form of worship can not evolve, or we would still be using the "Last Supper" liturgy!

  6. It could lead to a return to the mumbling priests of my childhood!!

  7. This plan is a recipe for disaster. If this is imposed then we will see a desertion from the church of ordinary people who don't understand Latin and don't understand why these changes are to take place.

    The other posting regarding priests for Humanae Vitae is equally worrying. I am a catholic and I love the church and keep the commandments. I have three children whom I love dearly. I won't have anybody tell me what happens in my bedroom is sinful.
    Catholics have already decided about this: they reject it. Let the magisterium take note and learn from the sensus fidelium

  8. I grew up with the Latin Mass and always felt I was in church. I don't like the English version at all and have only been to Mass a few times in 50 years'
    We are so like the Anglican church now we are not unique

  9. As Bette Davis says in "All About Eve", "Fasten your seats belts, it's goin' to be a bumpy ride! "

  10. This is excellent for those who enjoy the Latin Mass, however you probably won't see me attending them on a regular basis.

    I personally prefer a Mass where I can understand what is being said. That has much more meaning for me than a Mass in a language I do not speak.

    I do, however, still find it odd when people insist that the Latin Mass is inherently more beautiful or special than a Mass in the vernacular. After all, it's only the words - and they're not even the actual words Jesus would have stated.

    On the other hand, I'm not saying that a Mass in the vernacular is inherently better either. Really it's the execution of the concept of the Mass that is important (and I'm sure every Catholic has had their fair share of poorly executed Masses - both in the vernacular and, for some older Catholics, in Latin).

  11. I love the phrase ""The Holy Father is not returning to the past" - Aye, Right! If this is not the case why does it feel like the present administration is trying to overturn Vatican2? The more I hear of what is emanating from Rome the more I am concerned that the hierarchy is out of touch with the real church, the Body of Christ.
    Sadly I am concerned that this group of men at the centre including 'Princes of the church' (did Jesus confer that title?) are out of touch with God and are operating from purely selfish reasons.
    Let us pray the The Spirit will come among them and show then the error of their ways after all, Jesus came to serve, they seem to be dictating.

  12. Michael, while there has been a decline in the practice of faith since the 1970's, it's a logical fallacy to assume that it's due to "modern and liberal catechises, new theology and experimental Mass liturgies". Yes they've both occurred at the same time but unless you do research into /why/ these people were leaving you simply cannot conclusively link the two.

    You'll note that a lot of things were going on in the second half of the 90s that may have contributed to this decline in attendance and personally I would hazard a guess and say that it's more likely that people's views were becoming too liberal for the Church's conservative attitudes. I'll leave it up to you to decide whether that's a fault of the people or a fault of the Church.

  13. This is unbelievable. Yay!

    Paul Gleeson, I'm sure you'll be delighted to learn that the Latin Mass IS the path of evanglization. Just ask anyone who has been on the huge old rite Paris to Chartres Pilgrimage at Pentecost each year and seen converts galore - even from atheism - before their eyes. I have.

    Les, ordinary people I know have come back to the Church precisely via the Latin Mass.(See above.)

    Tony Le Clerc (would that be Tony the Cleric???) Bzzz: What was wrong with the Index? It showed Catholics what was rubbish out there. There's tons MORE today, and gullible Catholics (the kind that watch Compass and believe that's truth) I know read the stuff - eg Da Vinci Code balderdash. Bring back the Index, I say! The Inquisition was great: Even Protestant countries over the succeeding centuries decided to raise their judicial standards to match its fairness of procedure. Or don't you read secular history? And "clericalism"(le Clerc)??? You mean smashing altar rails & turfing out statues without the consent of the laity who paid for them, and inventing weirdo liturgical antics, and bullying old folk (or not so old) who want communion on the tongue etc etc? Is not this clericalism of the foulest sort? Get real!

  14. Considering the confusion and desertion that accompanied the introduction of the Novus Ordo, I find Les’ statement a trifle ironic. Ordinary parishioners could not understand why the timeless Mass they were told was unchangeable had been substituted by something that strongly resembled an Anglican service.

    Worse, all that was sacred was replaced by dreadful 1970’s décor, ghastly guitar-backed hymns, and all run by a priest who (often) acted like a talk show host. Ordinary parishioners have been voting with their feet ever since.

  15. We lose nothing with this initiative, but gain greater Unity under our Holy Father the Pope.
    All we need do is broaden our hearts and love one another as Christ loves us. Without fear.

  16. This is great. And Fr. Williams exaggerates the difficulty of learning the EF. If he doesn't watch out, he might find out that most seminarians are, simply by their own efforts, well on their way to knowing how to say the EF. It is not rocket science. The formal decree from the Vatican was called Summorum Pontificum and it said that, when requested, it should be celebrated in parishes, as indeed the article notes.

    And Paul, I do believe that they think and they are not alone, that the Latin Mass is going to bring about the salvation of the soul, because it effectively represents the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the Cross.

    Tony Le Clerc, we live in an age of clericalism gone mad. The new clerics are the members of the parish council.

  17. My father went to India in 1954 and found that he was not excluded from the Catholic liturgy because it was said in the same language as that of his own parish in Sydney. Now we have a Chinese community with a Chinese Mass, a Polish community with a Polish Mass, a Croation community with a....you get my drift. The use of Latin in the liturgy is still a powerful symbol of the universality of the Catholic Church.

    I have been attending the Latin Mass now for over three years. While I don't speak Latin or understand it, I can read the translation in my missal. Even if I forget my missal it is not a problem because the liturgical language speaks to the heart in volumes.

    The Latin Mass has many names. Probably the most appropriate name is the “Gregorian Rite”. Not a lot of people realise that the this Rite evolved gradually over the course of more than 1500 years until its use was severly restricted in the 1960's. Did you know that the elevation of the Eucharist at the consecration was instituted as a means of combating Berengarius's denial of the Real Presence in the 11th Century? A variation on his heresy was then adopted by Lutherans during the reformation.
    The sacrificial nature of the Mass was denied by Archbishop Cranmer. To help convey his beliefs about the Mass, Cranmer replaced the altar with a wooden table and had the priest face the people. He also cut out any reference to sacrifice in the prayers of the Mass. I must admit, after attending the Novus Ordo for 27 years, I had no sense of the fact that a sacrifice was taking place. This fact didn't dawn on me until I attended the Traditional Mass. The way the priest keeps his thumb and forefinger together from the consecration to the final ablution sends a very powerful message about how important the loose fragments of host are after the words "Hoc est enim corpus meum". The striking of the breast during the Confiteor, the silence, the vestments, the prayers at the foot of the altar...stop me. I love this liturgy.

    This Rite is not characterised exclusively by its use of Latin. There are a multitude of things that we can learn about the symbolism employed and how powerfully it conveys and expresses our faith in the Real Presence and the sacrificial nature of the Mass. It is a great relief that, despite what must be overwhelming opposition to its reinstatement, the leaders of our Church are showing such courage in encouraging a more mainstream use of the "Gregorian Rite". Deo Gratias.

  18. Some of our educated audience are saying that the laity wouldn't under Latin or why we are to return to it?
    Well, the answer lies in Vatican II in which Latin was to be retained in certain parts of the Mass at the very least. The answer is education. The laity can put down theri novels, their Daily Telegrapha nd Foxtel for a while and do some reading on those chapters from Vatican II 's Sacrosanctum Concilium. Bishops can provide some dosages of relevant quotes fro SC and simialr docs and this can be the beginning of the education.
    My parish of St John Vianney's at Doonside includes several parts fo the Mass in Latin and the Greek Kyrie Eleison at each Sunday Mass and once per month even more Latin parts. We have Novus Ordo and also the Mass of 1962 at 11am Sundays. Ordinary and extraordianry forms of the Rite together in harmony in beautiful downtown Doonside, where everyone's a winner.

  19. But the question, Michael, is WHY should the faithful learn Latin? How is "Kyrie Eleison" any more beautiful and/or meaningful than saying "Lord have mercy"? (Answer: It isn't.) They still mean the same thing and surely it is the meaning of the words that matters. I imagine God can understand me whether I'm speaking in English, Latin, Greek, Welsh, Polish, Japanese or German! (In fact, God can understand me even when I'm not speaking at all.)

    To be honest, saying the words in a language that I speak is, for me, a more powerful gesture.

    I'm not saying we should be rid of the Latin Mass, because there are people who enjoy it. It's just that I don't think the rest of us should be forced to speak a dead language when we get much more meaning out of the vernacular.

  20. Alex, it is more than the language. It is the whole orientation towards God in the structure and symbols. Priest and people facing God and not each other. If you don't understand it, it is pretty easy to learn Latin. Buy a Missal.
    Jesus didn't use Latin however he didn't use vernacular languages such as English that have been doctored to ensure political correctness in terms of feminist and minimalist ideologies either.What would Jesus think of the ad libbing and the autonomous and pridictable 'spontaneity' of clergy who do their own thing in the Novus Ordo ?
    I concede part of the point your made about rejection of the Church but that is not because of 'conservatism'. The Church's teachings are straight from the Gospel and do not have a politically cast agenda for either the 'Left' or the 'Right'.
    Even in the secualr world of politics, political parties and the elected representatives love to cast themselves as being 'socialist' or this n' that but then notice how these same people then privatise public assets and go and meet with merchant bankers ! So , in other words, 'conservatism' this n' that or 'socialism' this n' that is just so much hot air.
    By the way I mainly go to the Mass in English.

  21. The Mass is beautiful in any form but it seems to me that there would need to be extensive catechesis of many of the devotees of the Trdentine Rite who will view this news as a 'triumph' of the Old over the New. Having devoted many years of my life to the worthy and prayerful celebration of the current Rite of the Mass and formation of laity in the theology underpinning the Rite in accordance with the principles enunciated in the Vatican 2 Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy, I have difficulty understanding why we need to move in this direction. While I grew up with the Tridentine Rite, it seems to me that there are some fundamental differences in the ecclesiology of the Tridentine Rite when compared with the Mass as celebrated today. Let's hasten slowly.

  22. Dear weird and strange people.
    Yes. I am referring to the doomsayers that this will drive the faithful away...that this is going back to the Dark Ages...that this is illogical, and that Latin is no holier than English, etc, etc, etc.

    For all those critics, before you hurl your criticisms, think about what you are saying, please.

    The Pope is NOT saying or forcing that EVERY SINGLE Mass should return to Latin Rites. From having an option of the current post-Vatican II Mass as well as the Latin Mass will have no negative implications whatsoever.

    Do you always drink coke and soft drinks? Do you always eat sweets? Although we have convinced ourselves otherwise, it is a good option to have water.

    Secondly, Conservatism and Tradition are NOT the cause of the decline in Catholic Church in Australia.

    Look at Europe, Philippines, India, South America where the church is conservative and traditional. The churches are thriving.

    The strength of Catholicism and its mass is the term "sacred mystery"...something you are trying to abolish in the name of convenience...and to make you feel better by not feeling less informed and educated.

    Don't criticise the clergy for being an obsolete elitists. Rather, pick up the Catechism book and actually learn about Catholicism before you pick up and read some tabloid magazine and get your whole truth from there.

    The biggest problem in the Australian Church is the politically correct approach that "everyone is right, everyone has the truth, and everyone is entitled to their opinions." This goes chronically against the teaching of obedience. Surely, we all have our own opinions, but it is the Christian thing to do to concede our own pride for the better of the community.

    Unfortunately, rampant liberalism is seeing the CAtholic church in Australia become just one massive shambles and we might as well believe that it is heading towards a convenient Sharmanism.

    The real Catholics, the ones who actually understand, stand firm behind the Pope on this initiative, which is seeking to restore the dignity, mystery, weight and authority behind Catholic Masses...which are fast becoming a playground for self-loving fools.

  23. Also...for those who say they want to be able to UNDERSTAND what the priest is saying...

    Are you that ignorant to want to intellectualise absolutely everything? What is the point of faith and belief if we fully understand it? What next? Would we try to formulate a theorem for God?

    I sense that many of you who criticise the Latin mass haven't actually been to one. It is the most incredible place of reverence, mystery and holiness. That is why it is called "extraordinary". Just because you don't understand it doesn't make it invalid. And who cares if you don't understand it? Why should you feel any lesser because of it?

    Of all the core things in this world, how much do you understand?

    Do you fully understand love? Do you fully understand hate? Do you fully understand what it was and is to be a daughter...in a family? Do you fully understand parenthood? Do you understand marriage? Do you understand wind? The sun? nature, the universe? Do you understand life? Do you understand religion, Jesus and God absolutely completely?

    Once we fully understand something, it becomes an object, subjected to human manipulation.

    Religion isn't like that. God isn't like that. And the Latin Mass...isn't like that.

    Get your tabloid rubbish out of your heads and please...think beyond your own head. This world will make a whole lot more sense.

  24. Dave, if as you say "there are some fundamental differences in the ecclesiology of the Tridentine Rite when compared with the Mass as celebrated today" doesn't that mean that that the new Rite needs to be changed even more so as to ensure that it is more complementary to the Rite of Tradition?
    I think so; and your words betray you.

  25. You seem to have missed my point Michael - it's not that I /don't know/ Latin, it's that I don't see any reason why I (or anyone else) should have to. Anyway, it would seem that your problem isn't so much with the English itself - but the distortion of the English translation? That's a whole other issue and while an easy way to remedy the situation may be to speak in Latin, the easiest route is not always the best. Also, I don't see how using gender-inclusive language in anyway lessens the worth of what is said. The Church constantly asserts that men and women are equal in the eyes of God, so reflecting this in their speech surely is not a negative thing?

    On the issue of inclusion, I'd debate that the Tridentine Mass is also not intrinsically more "oriented towards God." After all, God omnipresent, all around us and in the faces of every member of the Church. The Mass is a community event, a meal, and when was the last time you had people over for dinner and got them all to face the walls of the dining room instead of each other? In my eyes, a Mass where I feel like I am a part of what is going on is far better than any Mass where I’m just some guy sitting in the fifth pew on the left.

    Finally, conservative and liberal ideals are not necessarily related to politics and are reasonable ways to describe certain moral and ethical standpoints.

  26. Michael, thanks for your response. My words may betray me but that's true of all the respondents as I read them. When I study the Vatican Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy, I am very moved by the manner in which Christ is present in the Eucharist in 4 key ways - in the Assembly, the Word, the Consecrated Bread and Wine and the Minister. If we are truly the Body of Christ, then surely the fundamental and primary sign is that of the people gathered for worship, which in turn opens up the wonder of Christ's 'Real Presence', especially as we are nourished by the Word and by his Body and Blood given for us. A reading of St Augustine's classic Sermons 227 and 272 on the Eucharist - 'Be what you see and receive what you are!' - deepens the sense of our call to be the 'real presence' of Christ in the world, particularly as we are sent forth from the Lord's Table. Without denying the beauty of the Tridentine Rite, for me the experience of the so-called New Mass offers a much stronger sense of what it means to be the Church today. When it comes to ecclesiology, no doubt, my words betray me!

  27. Dave, you are mistaken. The Church teaches (in the document you refer to and countless others) that the consecrated elements of the Eucharist are not just a "sign", but Christ's own Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity really and truly present, whom we must worship as our God. (To do this to the Assembly, the Lectionary or the Priest [not "minister'] would be idolatry.) This is the fundamental and primary sign. This is what the people are assembled FOR; what the priest is ordained FOR; what the Lectionary proclaims.

  28. Dave,

    1. I know the point has been made before - even by Cardinal Ratzinger - but it's germane to make it again in response to your remarks: The form of the Liturgy which conforms more closely with the document Sacrosanctum Concilium is the Traditional Latin Mass. Nothing in that document envisages: mass "facing the people", communion in the hand & standing, vernacular from the point of the offertory, the virtual abolition of gregorian chant and polyphony, any other Eucharistic prayer than the Roman Canon, the abolition of the traditional offertory prayers, altar girls, lay ministers of the Eucharist, and so on and so on.
    2. I'm not sure exactly what form of liturgy was celebrated by Augustine in North Africa in the late fourth and early fifth centuries (the context of his remarks concerning the Eucharist) but I'll bet my house it more resembled the Tridentine Mass than the Novus Ordo celebrated in most parishes today.
    3. What is the significance of the "fundamental sign" being people gathering for worship? I was at a Tridentine Mass yesterday where, lo, 100 or so people gathered for worship! We also stayed on after Mass enjoying tea & coffee & cake & each other's company and then it was down to the pub for lunch & more great conversation together (and our neighbouring Anglican friends on the adjacent table doing the same). We have a great community spirit in our Parish - and it stems from a deep love of the Traditional Liturgy in which God folds us in His embrace. I assure you, that 'fundamental sign' is flashing brightly in our neck of the ecclesial woods.
    4. I agree that the new Mass more faithfully reflects what it means to be a Catholic today if we restrict our comment to: the Anglo/American/Western European portion of the Catholic Church that has staggered on in the 40 years since Vatican II. However, in all sincerity, I don't like many things about this part of the Church. Eg: the paedophilia (of course), the dumbed down catechesis, the effete episcopacy in many dioceses, the wholesale abandonment of our tradition, the insufferably bad architecture and music etc etc. Quite frankly, I'm amazed that our part of the Church still manages to draw in converts (though the number of converts - and vocations - per capita is far far higher in traditional circles).
    I want that part of the Church to regraft itself back onto the vine-or - better - to allow the post-Vatican II fog of hubris to evaporate and to recover an awareness that it IS part of the vine and ... how do we put it these days? ... "celebrate that". (I think Pope Benedict refers to this as the "hermeneutic of continuity").
    I'm not saying the New Mass is directly responsible for all that is objectionable in the Post Vatican II Western Church - especially not the paedophile priest problem. Or that the Tridentine Mass tout simple is an elixir. But I am saying that a Church which treats an elemental part of its tradition with such disdain, as has happened since the Council is, on the human level, a Church with a severe identity crisis. A healthier Church of tomorrow is what I pray for, and I believe the Traditional liturgy is crucial to the healing process. God bless.

  29. As a child, I was convinced I was in a "holy place" and the Trinity and angels and saints were truly present at the Tridentine Mass. Men & boys wore suits, women & girls dresses & hats & Sunday best as a sign of respect when entering to worship before the Blessed Sacrament; everyone was very quiet, prayerful, respectful of God's Presence - it was no joke to get rowdy or dress sloppily at Mass after all Jesus was RIGHT THERE IN THE TABERNACLE and yes HE STILL IS.

    American Catholics have the #1 and #2 distinction in terms of churchgoers in the USA: #1 Catholics are the largest group and #2 is Fallen away Catholics, over 20 million. Has the Novus Ordo translation really set out and inspired us for the last 40 years better than its predecessor the Tridentine Mass? Besides, you could go to Mass anywhere on the planet & hear it in Latin & know what was going on. Uneducated people for centuries beheld the beauty of the Tridentine Mass.

    "We" are not the focus of the Mass, we're not there to be entertained! Frankly, folks, I'm sick of Kum ba yah, boom - chicka music, usually uninspiring & pedestrian and not done too well! Holding hands during the Pater Noster I've read is an American invention (from AA). I notice some people yakking, a few men with hairy legs & shorts; lots of people dressed inappropriately.

    As for knowing the Latin, in the 60's I had my little book with Latin on one side & English on the other, which I still have. Not too tough for an elementary kid (now Baby Boomer) so why so burdensome on adults? Why enable people? Let them learn, teach them Latin and maybe thousands will again, who have the OPTION, behold this beautiful and regal Mass, it really could lift your spirits if you let it.

    Pope Ben XVI and JP II -both breathtaking theologians given to us to light the fire of God's Love in all of us & wake us from our slumber. They've sounded the clarion call. Time for the New Evangelization. Sounds like the Tridentine/Latin Mass can be of great help to those who chose to partake in its beauty and raise us closer to the Triune God.

  30. This is not about faith - but about catholic history and culture. Ask any anthropologist the importance of group cohesion and symbols, language, etc. It is a binding factor in any organisation. Every specialist group was consulted in Vatican II, except the anthropologists - who would have advised differently on discarding Latin, altar rails, black vestments, etc. The Holy Father rightly sees these as something of value, to be cherished and held dear by the Faithful. Deo Gratias et Dominus Vosbiscum

  31. Pope Benedict can say all he want that the Latin Mass is not a step backwards and maybe to him it is not. But ask Catholics including our young people if this is something that will entice them to return to the church or continue to go or even begin to go to church. I don't know their answer but my gut feeling having worked with adolescents and young adults is it will not sit well with them. The discussions among many clergy in my small world is they will not even consider it. Is the Holy See in touch with the clergy or is it just interested in being dictatorial? .

  32. How many Catholics want this type of Mass? Seems like a step in the wrong direction if we want young people to keep following their religion. I remember the relief when the mumbling priests of my youth made the change to speaking to us in English.
    I like to follow mass and understand what is being said. I am not a Latin scholar and would therefore struggle with a Latin mass. Pobably, my mind would just drift off and i would start to think of other more worldly things. Each to their own I suppose but it's not a direction I would want to take!

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