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Anglicans have Alzheimer's: Vatican cardinal

Published: July 24, 2008

Congregation for the Evangelisation of Peoples head, Cardinal Ivan Dias, has described turmoil in the Anglican Communion as "spiritual Alzheimer's" and "ecclesial Parkinson's", angering charities working with sufferers of those conditions.

Cardinal Dias was speaking at a plenary session of the 650 bishops attending the ten yearly Lambeth Conference in Canterbury, Kent, the Times Online says.

The conference, at which the Archbishop of Canterbury Dr Rowan Williams is praying for a miracle to save his Church from its most serious rupture since the Reformation, is in its third official day.

Although he did not name any province in his speech, his words were interpreted as criticism of the US and English Churches, the Times says.

"Much is spoken today of diseases like Alzheimer's and Parkinson's. By analogy, their symptoms can, at times, be found even in our own Christian communities," he said.

"For example, when we live myopically in the fleeting present, oblivious of our past heritage and apostolic traditions, we could well be suffering from spiritual Alzheimer's.

"And when we behave in a disorderly manner, going whimsically our own way without any coordination with the head or the other members of our community, it could be ecclesial Parkinson's."

Cardinal Dias, who is the most senior Catholic delegate invited to the Anglican Lambeth Conference was careful not to single out the Anglican church, referring instead to "Christian communities", the Guardian adds.

However, the Cardinal's unequivocal language laid bare his disapproval of the chaos sweeping through the world's third biggest Christian denomination, the Guardian says.

He told Anglican bishops that the battle to bring Christ to the world must be placed in the "wider context of spiritual combat" with Satan. "If this context is ignored in favour of a myopic world vision, Christ's salvation will be conveniently dismissed as irrelevant."

This "spiritual warfare" had continued since the fall of Adam, raging "aided and abetted by well known secret sects, Satanic groups and New Age movements" that revealed the "many ugly heads of the hideous anti-God monster."

These works of the devil were, he added, "secularism, which seeks to build a godless society; spiritual indifference, which is insensitive to transcendental values; and relativism, which is contrary to the permanent tenets of the Gospel".

"We Christians and bishops can ill afford to remain on the sidelines as passive spectators," he warned.

Reacting to Cardinal Dias' comments, the British Alzheimer’s and Parkinson's Disease societies criticised the Cardinal for comments which they said would "reinforce negative stereotypes" about those suffering with the conditions.

"Seeing the day to day challenges faced by people with Parkinson's disease or dementia trivialised by comments from such a prominent public figure is demoralising," the statement said.

"People with dementia and Parkinson’s disease face the challenge of coping with a physical condition which slowly robs them of their lives. These comments only serve to reinforce negative stereotypes surrounding these two devastating conditions."

Although making no comment on the Alzheimer's or Parkinson's analogies, David Beetge, an Anglican South African Bishop and co-chair of an ecumenical group that produced a recent report on how the Catholic and Anglican churches can work more closely together, agreed that the Anglicans had to take notice of tradition.

"Part of our life is the tradition," he said. "Tradition is one of the voices that has to come to the table where we decide what is right for us to do. So often we are just taking the present context into account." He said the cardinal was "a voice we have to listen to."

SOURCE

Cardinal accuses Anglican Communion of 'spiritual Alzheimer's' (Guardian, 23/7/08)

Cardinal Ivan Dias: Anglican Church suffering spiritual Alzheimer's (Times Online, 23/7/08)

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  1. Is the Catholic church in a position to criticize the Anglican church? There is much chaos in the Catholic church but it is not discussed publicly as is the Lambeth conference. The vatican keeps it all under wraps plus the Catholics just stop being part of the church/parish. I am constantly meeting Catholics who do not want to publicly own they belong to such an institution. Power is the problem with the Catholic church and I would suspect that is what some parts of the Anglican church is also grappling with. Humans are not infallible and there will always be problems but the vatican has its eyes closed regarding the problems in its own back yard.

  2. Oh for goodness sake, haven't the British Alzheimer’s and Parkinson's Disease societies ever heard of a metaphor?

    Will we next see the Blind Society accuse Christ of "trivialising", "demoralising" and "reinforcing negative stereotypes of" blind people because He spoke metaphorically of "the blind leading the blind"?

  3. Here in our own city, the Anglican archbishop sent one of his so called "more embracing" bishops, the Mr./rev/parson Forsyth to inform our universal pastor, His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, how he can
    repent, and restore The Church. All in the crypt of our own cathedral, and because he couldn't suffer the indignity of meeting someone he probably believes is The Whore of Babylon. I'm sure that the pope privately chuckled to himself before he slept that night after meeting the ridiculous parson Forsyth and contemplated what a silly little man he is to do the parson Jensen's "dirty work".
    All this while the "archbishop's" own church is being torn asunder at Lambeth and in the limited number of world places that are middle class enough for it to operate because it is being manipulated by a lot of silly chooks. (probably with parsons noses).
    How can they possibly believe that normal people, especially the so called unchurched Australians, could actually take them seriously? Meanwhile his own flock are busily crossing the road taking up paid positions in the cathedral of Satan that he hasn't even got the guts to enter to meet the real archbishop who has just been party to a great revival of Christianity in the very same city!
    Sometimes I sit back and chuckle to myself about what ridiculous people these Anglicans really are!

  4. I, for one, don't see Cardinal Dias' comments as negative or demoralising but rather very empathetic to those afflicted with these diseases and he is merely emphasising the difficulties they face along with the " Christian communities" he referred to. It wouldn't hurt us Catholics to include ourselves in that group either. The two British Societies concerned are being a bit hyper-sensitive.

  5. And the cardinal seems to have a serious case of foot-in-mouth disease! I guess he's trying to rule himself out as a serious candidate for the Petrine ministry.

  6. Your headline is grossly misleading. I suspect the Cardinal had the Catholic Church in mind when he speaks of "our own Christian communities". That is hardly a reference to Anglicanism by a Roman Catholic prelate. And as a self-critique, he's on to something.

  7. What the Cardinal says about myopic and other human conditions I presume can apply also to the Catholic section of the Church

  8. Another terrific contribution by the Vatican - the finger says it all!!

  9. Anonymous, please don't condemn all Anglicans for the atrocious behaviour of a few. The vast majority of the world's Anglicans are conscientious Christians who genuinely try to obey the Commandments and be guided by the Bible. It's unfortunate for them that a relatively tiny clique of promoters of sexual licence and a power-mad pseudo "feminism" have seized the vast majority of the material assets of the Anglican communion, receive all the sympathetic media attention, and are dictating the agenda to the majority who want to love and serve God, and who need our prayers and support.

  10. Language shapes culture and to use terms such as Alzheimers and Parkinsons in a perjorative manner goes way beyond metaphor .
    Sensitive application of language is essential in this day and age to break down barriers and promote a fair and just inclusive society

  11. Best of luck to the Anglican Church. Hope they solve their problems soon and emerge even more faithful.

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  12. To speak negatively of disease is not only logical, (DIS_EASE) it is truth.

    To accuse the Cardinal of reinforcing these negative stereotypes is absurd on its face and mind-numbing in its irrationality!!!!

  13. The analogy to Parkinson's and Alzheimers is an apt one. While the related groups complain because sufferers are being cost their lives, so too human souls are being cost their eternal lives because of this condition. If the ability to use such apt analogies is denied to people because it might offend someone, soon we will no longer be able to speak at all, let alone speak truth. Alzheimers and Parkinson's patients have eternal souls too, no matter what affliction their bodies may be enduring. Refusal to allow people to speak of such matters because someone might be offended means that we are destined for ignorance; and scripture says 'my people perish for lack of knowledge.'

  14. ... "Archbishop of Canterbury Dr Rowan Williams is praying for a miracle to save his Church from its most serious rupture since the Reformation ..."

    ??? His church was ruptured during the Reformation?

  15. To all of you who enjoy bashing the Catholic Church: If you hate the Catholic Church so much, then why in the world do you read articles on a site named, "CATH NEWS"???? Why do you keep reading and commenting on things that don't even pertain to you in the first place? If you aren't Catholic, and hold the Church in such disdain, then what possible difference does it make to you what some Cardinal says? Why don't you simply LEAVE??

  16. What a thoughtless insensitive analogy! In what kind of world do some of these Vatican bureaucrats live?

    Does the Cardinal not recall that the last Pope suffered from Parkinson's. Perhaps he should also take a look at the recent SBS TV program on that brave priest in Baghdad who, despite his Parkinson's and Iraq's civil war, was caring for the his declining Christian community.

  17. What nonsense from the charities! This is language, well used. Please join the real world, or you make your causes a joke. Just who is devaluing your clients? Have a good look at the beam in your own eye!

  18. Hannah, there are lots of problems within the Catholic Church, but none of them compromise Her identity as the One True Church. For example, She continues to teach and expound the same truths She taught when She was founded, because as Jesus promised, the gates of hell would never prevail against Her. And any Catholic who doesn't want to say they belong to her is free to leave, just as Jesus didn't stop those walking away from Him on the basis of His hard sayings that they could not stomach.

    On the other hand, the Anglican Church is a farcical confusion of teachings. Indeed, as a teaching body it is impossible to say it is "one" Church in anything but name only.

    Actually, the human mind is in principle infallible, but because of the Fall, is fallible. But God, who after all is omnipotent and omniscient, certainly has the ability to protect His Church and the Pope from error and thus remedy this defect of original sin.

    God bless

  19. The cardinal has hit the nail on the head. His reference to the two debilitating medical conditions serve to highlight the serious plight Anglicanism finds itself in today. Its leaders have seriously strayed from the right path and are so quick to compromise with the values and trends of the world. The fragmentation of Protestantism continues unabated since the reformation. Where is the unity Christ looked for? Whatever the shortcomings of the Catholic Church, its leaders are faithful to the teachings of the early Church and do not bend so readily. Why? Because they have no authority to do so. The Pope is entrusted with handing on the deposit of faith, not tinkering with it or changing it to appease the new secularism.

  20. I am deeply saddened that the cardinal has felt the need to use images of satanic battles to encourage other Christians in their task of bringing in the kingdom. Of course when you have a war mentality then issues such as social harmony can be forgotten and those who struggle with human frailty such as Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s can be dismissed as clearly faulted.

    I was hoping that the Crusades were to remain in the shadows of our past but if the cardinal represents the advisors of our leadership, it looks like the ploughshares could be turned back into swords yet again.

  21. "... criticised the Cardinal for comments which they said would "reinforce negative stereotypes" about those suffering with the conditions..."

    Sorry that's not logical, it may be politically correct but there is no reason to conclude that because the Cardinal uses an accurate metaphor to describe a 'condition' of spiritual thinking, that it is a comment about "people" with Alzheimers etc. The criticism is silly and reflects badly on the organisation(s).

    In answer to Hannah B, yes the Catholic Church is in a much better position to criticise the Anglican Church on many aspects but certainly from the viewpoint that there is no ultimate teaching authority within the Anglican church. That should be rather obvious when long-standing doctrine and morals are swept aside by politicised factions more given to secular fashions than what Christ taught.

    There is only one Church, one Faith that can teach the full deposit of Faith - with a guarantee which again, is being proven to come from the Holy Spirit - not man.

    I can only urge all to come to the truly universal and Catholic Faith where you will be welcomed just as the WYD pilgrims were.

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