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Pope appeals for "tolerance" for traditional Catholics

Published: September 15, 2008

Speaking to French bishops in Paris, Pope Benedict has warned of the dangers of a growing split over the use of the traditional Latin Mass and appealed for tolerance.

The International Herald Tribune reports that Pope Benedict told French bishops that faithful should be made to feel at home in their Church, whether they yearn for a return of the ancient tongue or want to stick to modern languages at religious ceremonies.

The controversy is a particularly sensitive one for the Church in France, where there is a strong following for the late French churchman Marcel Lefebvre, a renegade archbishop who rebelled against Vatican modernising reforms of the 1960s, including replacing Latin with local languages at Mass.

Last year, Benedict issued a document giving parish priests the option of allowing Mass to be celebrated in Latin with decades old rituals known as the Tridentine Rite if that choice is sought by a "stable group" of parishioners. Previously, only bishops had that discretion.

French bishops had expressed concern that the move could be seen as a rolling back of the liberalising spirit that was unleashed through the Church with the Second Vatican Council.

Benedict expressed concern over the split between pro-Latin and pro-vernacular Catholics as he met with bishops from throughout France during his pilgrimage to Lourdes. He expressed hope that "the necessary pacification of spirits is already taking place."

"I am aware of your difficulties," Benedict told the bishops, "but I do not doubt that, within a reasonable time, you can find solutions satisfactory for all, lest the seamless tunic of Christ be further torn."

The pope was referring to the unity of the Church cherished by pontiffs.

"Everybody has a place in the Church," Benedict said. "Every person, without exception, should be able to feel at home, and never rejected."

Benedict told his bishops: "God, who loves all men and women and wishes none to be lost, entrusts us with this mission by appointing us shepherds of his sheep."

The pope exhorted the French churchmen, ranging from the cardinal of Paris to bishops of rural dioceses, to be "servants of unity."

Benedict "doesn't want dissent to crystalize into an insurmountable schism," Paris Cardinal Andre Vingt-Trois, who heads the French Bishops' Conference, later told a news conference.

Later, Pope Benedict celebrated an open air Mass in the French town of Lourdes on Sunday, leading more than 150,000 faithful in prayer at one of the most revered Roman Catholic shrines.

The mass marked the 150th anniversary of the Vatican recognised apparitions of the Virgin Mary to a French peasant girl in a grotto that now draws millions of pilgrims.

Under clear skies, the pontiff spoke from a white podium set up on a sprawling field near the grotto where Mary is said to have appeared 18 times to Bernadette Soubirous in 1858.

"There is a love in this world that is stronger than death, stronger than our weaknesses and sins. The power of love is stronger than the evil which threatens us," he said.

The 81 year old pontiff joined 230 bishops dressed in red flowing robes and mitres in the southwestern town, on the third day of his visit to France.

SOURCE

Pope celebrates Mass, tells Lourdes pilgrims Mary leads to Christ (Catholic News Service, 14/9/08)

Pope: End divisions over old Latin Mass (International Herald Tribune, 14/9/08)

Pope lauds 'power of love' at Lourdes mass (Sydney Morning Herald, 15/9/08)

Love stronger than evil, pope tells Lourdes crowd (Reuters, 14/9/08)

Benedict makes a case for 'healthy secularism' (NCR Online, 14/9/08)

Pope Benedict calls on France to make religion part of a new Europe (Catholic News Agency, 13/9/08)

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  1. This article is mistaken; The Latin Mass is not a "decades old rituals", but centuries old. It is based on the Liturgy of the ancient Church, and is often called the "Mass of Pope Gregory the Great". St. Pius V did some reforming at the Council of Trent.

    Our modern Eucharistic Prayer II is even older and is derived from to Canon of St. Hypollytus a 2nd Century Priest & Martyr.

    So, as Pope Benedict indicates, BOTH forms of the Roman Rite are quite valid and should not be a cause for division.

    Imagine it more as 'High Mass' vs 'Low Mass' in the '50's. people had their preferences back then but fighting about it was unthinkable nonsense.

  2. I am glad the Pope chose to make this appeal to the French Bishops (with some exceptions), who seem to have this among other things in common with their English counterparts that they show an inexplicable reluctance to encourage the Extraordinary Form, in spite of the fact that "trads" form one of the few growing group of practising Catholics in both countries.

  3. To quote the late Frank Sheed : "Latin is not an eighth sacrament."

    All should know that the use of the vernacular instead of Latin is a detail compared with the doctrine of the Mass as a Sacrifice.

    If anyone thinks that the whole Tridentine/Novus Ordo debate is just about Latin vs modern languages I suggest they Google "ottaviani intervention" and after 5-10 minutes reading they would know it is about a whole lot more.

    I remember Archbishop Lefebvre saying, not long before he died, that he would rather the old Mass in English or French than the new Mass in Latin because of the extent (he believed) the New Mass downplayed the Mass as Sacrifice.

  4. It is just great to hear Benedict speak of everyone being welcome in the Church. I hope Hans Kung, the liberation theologians, and the legion that were excommunicated from the Church for being too progressive are included in this amnesty.
    I also hope the divorced, birth control people and the people of different sexual persuasion are also included.
    I wonder if the US bishops who are excommunicating some of their politicians for different views politically are also of a similar mind of inclusion.
    The universal welcoming by Benedict will surely mark him as a genuine reforming Pope for our time. I trust everyone will listen and follow Benedict's line here.
    'Every person without exception, should be able to feel at home and never rejected' said Benedict
    It seems the thought police might be soon out of a job

  5. CathNews, surely you can do better than repeat the secular media's facile, misleading and false line that the differences are purely about language, "whether they yearn for a return of the ancient tongue or want to stick to modern languages....the split between pro-Latin and pro-vernacular Catholics".

    The Mass of Paul VI (i.e. the Ordinary Form of the Mass, or Novus Ordo Missae) can be said in Latin (the standard) or any other approved language.

    The difference concerns the use of the Extraordinary Form of the Mass (Mass of John XXIII or "Tridentine Rite"). Which albeit in its final form is only four and a half "decades old", but is substantially the same as the standard form used for centuries.

    I'm dumbfounded at the claim that the move to liberalise the former requirement that priests had to obtain their bishop's special particular permission to say the EF Mass "could be seen as a rolling back of the liberalising spirit"!

  6. I find that the Pope's promotion of Latin is insidiously slippng into parish life where NO group has asked for Latin. To worship in my own language was one of the greatest gift of Vat !! era and I am angry that that gift is now seemingly being reduced by our current Pope. He speaks as if he has to defend that small minority as to French Bishops but never do I hear him defend the vast majority of us who want to worship in a post Vatican way in our own languages. I feel more and more unwelcome in this Clerically overbearing new Church of Benedict . I am currently in London and every Church I go into is distant, Latin speaking and bossy. Let the clerics remember that they are a small minority, their language of servant status is obviously a delusion or a lie..

  7. John Dobson, your comment is totally based on a monstrous misreading/misrepresentation of the pope's statement.
    He did NOT "speak of EVERYONE being welcome in the Church (with all falsehoods and sins equally welcome with truth and holiness)". He said "that FAITHFUL should be made to feel at home in their Church".

    Btw Hans Kung has never been excommunicated. Neither has any liberation theologian except two or three who in later years went off on a tangent into massive and blatant heresy and quasi-Marxism. There have been a grand total of less than a dozen authors/theologians of all kinds excommunicated during the reigns of the last 2 popes. Hardly a "legion" (An imperial Roman legion had more than 10 thousand men). And nobody has ever been "excommunicated from the Church for being too progressive".

  8. Parish priests may now have the option of allowing Mass to be celebrated in Latin, but how likely is that to be a real option in many parishes, given that a majority of priests would be unable to celebrate Mass in Latin? - particularly in the western world! Despite being a requirement of Canon Law that The Charter of Priestly Formation is to provide that students for the priesthood are to be well versed in Latin ( C. 249 ), many seminaries provde zero opportunities for learning Latin during formation!

  9. These treacherous French bishops,I hope thet can sleep with a clear concience over the destruction they have caused our beloved Roman Catholic Faith.
    To water down Catholic teaching,to abuse the sacred liturgy,to seek excuses for sin,it goes on and on

  10. His Holiness would help the situation considerably if he would use the Tridentine Rite on occasion (e.g. The midnight Mass at Christmas or the Easter Vigil Mass.)
    Also, the vernacular translation of the 1962 version in dialogue form (which was used in the United States until the Novus Ordo Missal was promulgated) would offer all the orthodoxy sought by the traditionalists along with the comprehension desired by the modernists. It should be considered as an option by the Ecclesia Dei Commision and by the bishops as an option in satisfying the liturgical needs of the faithful in every parish in every diocese of the Latin Rite church (and as being within the grant of the Motu Proprio of 2007 regarding the extraordinary rite.)
    Also instead of the organizational difficulties inherent in the Motu proprio, it would be desirable I think if the Holy Father extended his wishes to state that at some time certain in the near future, the extraordinary rite should be available every Sunday in every parish at at least one scheduled Mass. (This would of course be easier to accomplish if the vernacular translation of the 1962 version and its associated rubrics (Owhich was approved and used until it was replaced by the Novus Ordo) would again be used as an extension of the rights granted in the Motu proprio.)

  11. Stan, the idea is not to go back to something more ancient (Indeed, traditionalists are opposed to antiquarianism), but that the Extraordinary Form has a continuous developmental history, as opposed to the Ordinary Form which was a hotchpotch constructed in the last century. A preference for one over the other is not a matter of taste. This is not in any way implied in the Motu Proprio. Both forms are valid, but that in no way implies that the two forms are equally good.

  12. The journalism here betrays the 40year old bias and illogical agenda of those who never understood what Vatican II was really about.
    The liberalist push has failed and it's time to get Vat II right ...

    John D ... give me a break. Is there any room left on your bandwagon? Least you didn't include those who want to turn the Church into a democracy ie a failure.

    Sinners have always been welcome. Sinners who want to browbeat the Church while misleading others into thinking that their behaviour is ok - are not... repentance is not a take it or leave it part of the deal. So if those groups you mentioned want to be part of Christ's church instead of moulding it to what they're comfortable with, you can tell them where to start and then there'll be no problem.

    PS .. got nothing to do with thought police either but it has everything to do with those who love the CHurch and want to protect and spread the Truth.

  13. I love the way your headline says Pope appeals for 'tolerance' of traditional Catholics. He did no such thing. It's clear that the CathNews editors see traditional Catholics as something to be tolerated. Tolerance, in fact, is not a Christian virtue, as Archbishop Chaput once said. We wouldn't tell our friends we'll "put up" with them.
    Nowhere in the story do I see the Pope using the word "tolerance".
    Also, Pope Benedict said that the Novus Ordo and 1962 versions are 2 forms of the same rite, so they're both valid forms.
    The headline in no way reflects what Benedict is saying.
    Then again, CathNews has often bought right into whatever line the SMH, the Age or whatever uninformed secular newspaper takes on a Catholic issue.
    Should we not expect better from a website with the term "Cath" in its title?

  14. It is interesting how the liberals been called to tolerate a minority group. Scratch a liberal and you find a freaked out fascist my parish priest once said. Despite their "let's accept everybody for who they are" mantra, they find no room for those attached to the traditional spirituality of the Church.

  15. Wow Graeme, EVERY church in London has all its Masses in Latin? Somehow I think you might be indulging in a slight exaggeration.

    In any case the fact you're so "angry" just because Masses are in another language from what you prefer seems to indicate you've rather missed the point of what the Mass is.

    I've never been to an Extraordinary Form Mass, but if I turned up at my local church expecting Mass in English and found it was in Latin (and/or the Extraordinary Form) I certainly wouldn't get ANGRY about it! It is THE MASS after all.

    Anthony, according to the International Herald Tribune (aka the notoriously anti-Catholic New York Times):
    "The document [his Motu Proprio of last year], Benedict said, represents an "act of tolerance" for those used to the old liturgy."

    So if we can believe the NYT, the Pope did use the word "tolerance" but to describe his own act, not what he called the French bishops to do as the CathNews headline claims.

  16. What does the Pope expect? It was his edict that liberalised the use of the Latin Mass, a grave mistake in my book.
    Seems like the current 'management committee' are determined to undo the good of Vatican II. I fear the management committees are out of touch with the body of Christ.

  17. Talk of 'tolerance' and of being 'tolerated' are liberal constructs that are highly patronising as well as being pseudo-intellectual.
    I have found in my dealings with most people who attend the Latin Mass both within the Church and also those at the SSPX, to be loyal and reliable human beings who would never backstab you either politically or socially.
    In fact, it is often the traditional Catholics who are opposed to the cowboy rules that rule the American financial system; and the trads generally oppose American culture that has worshipped at the altar of 'freemarket' economics for many geneerations in the USA. Trads are also loyal to Rome on social doctrine and who oppose for example the Novak/Nehaus Americanist love of noe-liberal economics.

    So please spare us this talk of 'toleration you liberals and neo-cons. Don;t assume that you are with the heart of the Church because on social doctrine, the neo-cons thankfully lost their battle to have their assumptions on social doctrine accepted. Rome rejected the Americanist view. Liberal Catholics have accepted the 'evangelical'/puritan view; Rome has rejected this view.
    So too with liturgy, doctrine and morals. The appointment of bishops who say orthodox things when appointed but who go on to allow the modernist foxes to be appointed within dioceses is the next thing to go. This is a good example of something that should never be tolerated.

  18. Clarification, as far as I can discover there has been only ONE theologian/author excommunicated in the last 30 years, Fr Tissa Balasuriya. He repented and was readmitted to Communion less than a year later, and he was not a "Liberation Theologian" but a syncretist.

    John Welsby, you clearly have not read Vatican II. It says nothing about abolishing Latin, much less making Latin Masses illegal. It envisages that some PARTS of the Mass MAY be said in the vernacular with the rest in Latin.

  19. Hey Ronk,

    You said that "nobody has ever been "excommunicated from the Church for being too progressive". I must disagree. There were many who were. They were called heretics and there are many still in the church today who espouse the same ideas as they did. I guess the main difference is that the church plans to let Christ deal with them, come their final judgement. Let us pray that he will be merciful!

  20. Did any of the people determined to close St Marys South Brisbane notice the following:-

    ""Everybody has a place in the Church. Every person, without exception, should be able to feel at home, and never rejected."
    Pope Bendedict

    Cardinal Castrillion says the Mass should be about love not words.



  21. OK soothsayer, please name one of the "many" who were "excommunicated from the Church for being too progressive".

  22. '...please name one of the "many" who were "excommunicated from the Church for being too progressive".'

    If soothsayer will allow me...

    The members of various groups in Lincoln, Nebraska have been excommunicated, for working to:

    - legalize physician-assisted suicide (The Hemlock Society);

    - keep abortion legal (Planned Parenthood and Catholics for a Free Choice);

    - "change church teachings in such areas as mandatory celibacy for priests, the male-only priesthood, the selection process for bishops and popes, and opposition to artificial contraception" (Call to Action).


    Source: http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0606995.htm




  23. AJ, you call that "being too progressive"???
    As a dyed-in-the-wool progressive myself, I can inform you that being progressive does not mean teaching heresy or gross immorality.

  24. And being progressive means exactly the opposite of legalising the murder of those whose existence we find inconvenient.

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